Saturday, May 16, 2015

Do You know yourself?



You know yourself out of social reflection  this opposes the Descartes idea of absolute loneliness of you, what he called the only certain thing that you can know for sure. As you meditate about yourself, you know yourself. The mind can also dream, day dream, self reflect inwardly. It can't have senses directly without using the body. social interaction is also a body act.

You cannot think about two sentences at the same time, while you can make two acts of body at the same time and even speak in parallel .

Your mind consists of senses, memory, thinking by using words. Do you need words to be able to think? Can you think without words? The act of speaking definitely needs  words. From where you pull out from your memory words without knowing upfront which word to use next?

If  you  look in the mirror after long time you haven't do it, you get a feeling a stranger is looking at you? If so, isn't the perception of I just a learned phenomena, while without looking on yourself in the mirror you may lose it? What about feelings? Pain, emotions attached to sensations coming from your senses,  memories coming up to your mind arising emotion? logical structures that come from memory? Are all these learned phenomena?
Logical structures that are suddenly created-eureka kind of experience, are they a result of learning? Act of calculation in your head is it in words? Yes and no. If you make calculation on paper? in the moment of calculation do you understand the  essence of the number, its relative value or you just remember the multiplication table  ?

The thoughts come with the expressed word. expressed vocally,  in written form, or just in heart. Can be a thought without words? Meditation is a technique to stop not the thoughts but flow of words.

Can you know pain, without to call it pain? Can you know beauty,  disgust,  sorrow, fear, love, tenderness, green, red, nice, fast, hard, noisy, quite, noisy,  all words of description, without to call it so? Can you know tree, grass, land sky, words of material, without words? Yes the answer is  yes the same it will be with an act, if you are familiar with the act.

Can you know complete, partial, comprehensive, sequential, words of concept without knowing the words? The answer will be NO.

If no free will exists then do we exist? All this feeling of I is based on the concept of i want this and that.
You can look on the world from outside in or from inside out. From inside out it is rather observing than feeling, while from outside in it is rather feeling than observing.
What do we know about the One who is in charge of the mental I? Not too much.


Friday, May 15, 2015

Consciosness, I and EUREKA

The problem of body and mind is one of the major questions the human intellect tries to cope with since the down of the humanity, either in religions or in philosophical terms. So what can be added to this subject after more than two millennium of intellectual activity with the subject? Few decades ago with the development of brain research, computer sciences, quantum physics and understanding the material behavior on the smallest sub-sub-atomic scale of individual electrons, the hard sciences joined the philosophers and started to ask the question, what is consciousness, what is this "I", who is always with me, what is mind etc. To start to answer this question we have to try to go to the very start, and probably  begin with a provocative "well chewed problem; "To most of the people it seems obvious what human body is, but they have clue what this soul or what we call consciousness means". Yet if you think about a question, how do you know about what you know, how do you know at all about anything in the world around you and about yourself, you will come to the conclusion that it begins with receiving through your senses data in form of sight (eye), voice (ear), smell (smell), taste (tongue ), touch (whole your body, when parts are more sensitive to your touch like tongue, hand, fingers, and parts are less sensitive your back). This data the senses transfer to your brain, and there it creates a complete meaningful picture, noise, feeling, etc. All this may be a deception. Maybe it represents a hallucination or phantom reception of the senses (phantom limb) or maybe it can be a deception because we all know when you see on a table a glass of water, that looks to you as glass of water, when what actually you have on the table is certain crystal form of silicon atoms containing H2O molecules. 

If you would be a blind human whose sight miraculously healed or a new born baby just borne with perfect eyes, still you couldn't comprehend what I see. But if you, or any living creature, who is thirsty, you and every creature would know perfectly well, that the water is there to eliminate the thirst. So what every living creature sees is not the molecules in the micro scale and not the bowl filled with water on the human scale, but the mental concept of water in a bowl perfectly fine to help you with the thirst. This idea of water is an idea not learned, but inherited in the genetic code. Viz. the example of new born turtle in the lonely island who immediately after is born runs with all his strength towards the sea. Yet when first time in my life i went to an Eastern restaurant I wondered what taste this water like sup with all these lives in it will have. Then my colleague washed his fingers in the bowl and my perception of the reality, what is in the bowl changed. I was cultured. It means some mental concepts are cultural. 

So what we have here? In the turtle case the water is obviously an inherited idea about the function of the water. As to the new born baby, he was born with an inherited idea of water too, but later he will acquire  the capacity to learn different function of the water, like its composition, etc. Exactly like me in an eastern restaurant, when i had to learn the new function of water in the bowl.
The conclusion is, our perceptions, even if seems to be perfectly coherent with the reality, it represents a partial reality, that can change according to the situation and can't be seen as an absolute objective reality.
So if we don't see the objective reality what exactly do we see? We see a comprehensive complex perception of a familiar object that fits into a preconceived idea of the object with all its attributes, character and functionality. These preconceived ideas, stored in our memory we can arrange in a way, that we can at need find and use in a new concept whenever it is needed. This stored memory, always present in your mind, ready to pump up when needed, to create a meaningful thought, feeling, new understanding etc. is the conscious mind.  
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The conscious mind is a huge reservoir of words, symbols impressions feelings, shapes, or any other information or concept we as humans, continuously absorb as pieces of information when interacting with the world external to our consciousness. These pieces of information are stored physically probably in very disordered way, yet they can be reached easily. It appears this information preexist in certain meaningful form  before it is expressed. 
The big question is; can we prove pre-existence of meaningful thought before it's expressed and the second question is, in what mental form is this information stored. Is it in form of emotion, picture, smell, voice, etc?

To my understanding the stored memory is not in form of concrete words interconnected, but rather as a general idea, that has not been translated yet to verbal expression. So what form this general idea has? Does it have a form at all? Or is it kind of blurry feeling, that takes shape at the moment when the idea and words are expressed?

I have personally a problem to recite a poem, I can’t memorize poems at all, even not those that I wrote myself. But still I do have in my memory one small German proverb, my mother thought me at my young age. “When this wort when nicht were, jeden armen were millioner”. (If this word if were not, every poor were millioner). I have to admit my German is very poor, since haven’t spoken this language for decades. Still when I try to express this sentence, it pops out as words. Now if I try an other proverb “Morgen morgen nur nicht heute sagen alle faule leute” (Tomorrow, tomorrow, just not today, that's what all the lazy people say.) It is enough for me to express in my mind the word Morgen, even without to make out of it a vocal expression, and the rest of the sentence just pops to my mind. In this case the idea behind the sentence comes out after a few seconds of act of cognition. I have to think what is exactly the meaning of this sentence. "Ah that?". Since German is far from being my strongest language, i use on daily basis four other languages very different from German, it could explain my need to make a process of cognition after expressing the sentence and before perceiving its meaning. Now i have to ask what about single lingual person? Does he perceives the meaning of the words, sentences ideas in the same way as multilingual person? Does his mind have same properties as a multilingual? If he recites a poem out of memory, does he perceives its meaning at the moment of the recitation? A singer when singing a song, does he perceive its meaning, or rather he just feels the meaning or even not that? I believe, definitely there can be technique of reciting poem without to be attentive to its meaning at all. Probably a singer a piano player, an actor does do sometime its performance out of his subconscious mind.

Now when I decide to write the next sentence, which I hope will be meaningful, before writing it down, do i have to think about the next word I am going to use, or maybe it is pre-deposited in my mind before expressed. But do I have in my conscious mind the sentence I am going to write? Definitely not. So what do I have? A general concept, meaning a complete comprehensive idea. No words no sentences. Just a general idea. It has no form of words, letters sentences. Does it have a shape at all? Or it is rather a certain form of feeling, intuition, etc.  
So who writes the words sentences that come up to a meaningful structure, when I don’t know what will be the next sentence or words I am going to write? From where it comes? How ideas get their shape, out of sentences. Are those phenomenon coming from the territories we call feelings? But we, self conscious humans with capacity of critical thinking know perfectly well, feelings, good or constructive ( love ) or bad or destructive ( hate) are out of the reach of our will. So can we speak about conscious mind with capacity to compile free will?

Your physical brains controls your body most of the time unconsciously. The only aspect of conscious control of your body is when you use your hands, mouth, eyes, and legs, or in other word all your instruments of senses. The rest of your body is acting autonomously. But if most of the times your thoughts and your material body are autonomous from your will , your will has only very little to do with your behavior. Then if not the will of the "I" is the manager or the big boss, who is the boss? Is there any? At the end someone has to control our behavior, otherwise it would be just too chaotic or what we call mentally disordered. And if in normal state of our mind we do act out of order, or in other words we are under control, then who is in control? Who is controlling the boss

Hate is strongly related to the feelings like fear, or desire for. And these are not rational unconscious processes. To try to explain this feelings on rational terms, like territorial fight, would need a big rationale decision maker, the ultimate Will of the I. Is there any? We know very well, that our subconscious mind activity governs our metabolism. The brain has direct connection almost to every cell in our body. Otherwise we could not feel pain, whenever foreign material penetrates or body. Conclusion, most of the cognitive activity of our brains is autonomous to the will of the I. Then who is in control of our mind if not us? Is it something some people like to call God?
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The ideas, sentences, words can be predefined before expressed, or can pop out from nowhere. This pop out of ideas phenomena i like to call EUREKA. The idea can pop out from nowhere, can be also result of long process of collected and converted data, either as separate units of information, in form of words, pictures, smells, voices, touches, that are joined together to a meaningful sequences of experience, that later pup out as sentences, feelings, ideas. These sequences when joined together create complete systems of ideas, understandings and believes. The ideas as they develop become ideologies, and believes become faith. On the other hand understandings become new forms of perceiving the material reality in the world.

This process started with collecting words, impressions, feeling, etc. then hierarchically joined to more and more complex ideas, until synthesized to ideas that are in coherence  to the belief system the individual adopted at certain stage of his intellectual development. Consequently this individual will filter the ideas contradictory to his faith. So is created a complete comprehensive system of ideology, faith, or understanding.
At the substance, ideologies, faith and understandings, (in other words knowledge) are based on axiomatic sentences, and the following structure of the knowledge can exist only if these axioms are commonly believed. And here we come to the differences between the two different forms of knowledge, the one, that makes the axioms to a dogma and these are the ideologies and faith against the other form of knowledge the understanding. Those who are creating knowledge out of understanding, are always ready to accept a process of verification of the basic axioms, and when the findings and evidence of the verification contradicts the previous understanding, they are ready to change it to a new axiom and new understanding. As contrary to them, those who generate knowledge based on faith in a dogmatic axioms, be it faith in extra-anthropic power, like myths, spiritual connections, mystical experiences, will always oppose data in form of words sentences or ideas that evidently contradict the axioms that lay in the foundation of their belief. 

We may think that the beliefs are all based on irrationality, but it is far from the truth. Most of the modern ideologies and conspiracy theories are rational systems of thoughts based on dogmatic axiom foundations, out of which they derived rationally the conclusions. These theories always base their claim on some partial information, perceived its meaning in a very deformed way and using it out of context. 

The major difference between those who follow the knowledge system called religion and knowledge system of modern ideologies is that the religion has in its substance a belief in an extra-anthropic, extra-terrestrial power, to whom they voluntarily submit their will. The religion in its core accepts this extra human reality power as supreme and in control of all or most of the human existence. This makes the religious process a process of submission, in a very fatalistic way. As contrary to it, the modern rational ideologies are based on illusion of human capacity for full control of human destiny, particular events and reality. The human need of controlling the events, be it daily events or destiny is universal and comes out of the need to overcome the fear, that the homo sapience lived with from the very beginning of his existence, since he was completely at the mercy of the nature. The illusion of control is connected to human need for perfect order, where everything has its exact place, and familiar character, feature, etc.

The conclusion, while the religion is looking for submitting the control of the human destiny to ex-human power, the modern rational ideologies look for human control of the destiny. This modern ideological approach of putting the human into the center of the control system, has in it core the arrogance, that was applied in political systems of modern era. The historical consequences of this arrogance had catastrophic historic consequences in the case of the two major dogmatic modern ideologies the Communism and Fascism.
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Those who can perceive the reality only as material one, I have to ask, "do you feel you fully control your thoughts? ". Most probably if you think sincerely about it, you will have to admit that the answer will be not. Most of the time not only you don't have control upon your thoughts, but you are not conscious of them. The words you are saying are not words that exist in your mind before they are expressed. They come to the mind as if by themselves and find their place in the general context of the speech. With written words it is very similar. Only from practical point of view, you can correct the written form by reading and rereading it and put the right wording into the context, while the spoken word can't be corrected. The context is the only thing that has pre-existence, before it is expressed. Not the exact wording. Then where is this concept stored? In your brain, in your memory? Is it exactly and perfectly formulated? In what form is it stored?


The thoughts are autonomous from the will and the body. The thoughts before expressed are in form of preconceptions. When expressed they charge to words explaining the concept. Some people have difficulty to translate concepts to words even if fully understand the concept. These are the worst teachers, with no capacity to explain the concept even if they can very successfully implement it while in act. When a sentence is said, it is not pre formulated before said. So it doesn't exist in the consciousness before expressed, it usually also disappears after it is formulated, unless special effort is taken, like writing down the idea, recording it. Some people may have talent to memorize words and sentences, many times they use special techniques to do so, like rimes, music, tempo, etc.

There is a difference between memorizing words and memorizing concepts. Computer can perfectly memorize world, but not at all concept. To memorize concept, human has to compile it through the process of understanding. Understanding is tool for memorizing concepts.

What's the difference between understanding and memorizing words? Understanding process of putting words or pieces of information in whole concept, or connecting any other form of information to its network of pieces of information that together they create a concept. The concept can be preexisting in the consciousness or be created by gradual processing, and sometime in one moment of comprehending the whole as one. This is the case of Eureka that in some well know cases brought big leaps in human knowledge. But the Eureka phenomena is not such a rarity as it may appear. Every student experiences from while to while such experience, that for him is an Eureka, even if not for the humanity.

Eureka is not just prerogative of scientists, composers, painters and all other kinds of creative people. Their eureka or what is commonly recognized as the capacity to create completely new concepts, that have evidently strong connection to the reality external to them. But exists Eureka that is common to every self conscious human being and this is the consciousness. Consciousness is the ever present eureka that propels continually the mind and makes us conscious about our surrounding and ourselves. It is the self-ignited continues process of conceptualization. This what makes the humanity different from the rest of the animal kingdom. (There are some who claim certain animals do have capacity of conceptualization. Probably they are right, but it will be a limited forms of conceptualization.)

To be conscious of yourself means understanding the I, as an interconnected being networked with the surroundings. The surroundings is observed by the I from inside out but almost never from out to in, (except if meditating). This is why usually the human is more aware of the world out of the mind, than the in.

Cognition is conceptualization, while the senses act mechanically. The computer science successfully coped the capacity of the human to gather information, but it has no tool for self creating cognition. The algorithm is a tool of cognition implanted by human into the computer. Yet the algorithm even if will have capacity for creating algorithm, will it have the will to do it? Can we think about possibility that one day the computer wakes up with a cry EUREKA.

Tuesday, September 16, 2014

Time-motion-energy-space

12/09/2014

Time can exist only when there is motion. Motion is possible because of energy. Energy is motion. It can be a potential or an actual. If everything would freeze in the cosmos and there would be no energy-motion, the time would stop to exist.
Motion-energy needs space. If there is no space there is no time either. So the time-motion-energy-space are one.
Description of Entropy  as a process from order to disorder is misleading. I would say Entropy is a process from diversity to unity. The point is that the word disorder in relation to Entropy is very confusing expression and reflects subjective feelings. Entropy is a nonreversible process heading from certain unique structure towards absolute uniformity. To make it more wordy, i would use a metafore of dissolving rivers carrying different solutions into the ocean where they create a uniform solution of the ocean waters. This process is irreversible without additional energy.

Is consciousness a quantum processes?

If the quantum processes are behind the consciousness and the free will, then the consciousness of the human being have to control and operate the quantum processes. It means consciousness cannot be probabilistic any more, but will be managed by being above the quantum process itself. Then who and what is this consciousness? It can't be anymore just the brain, that seems to be just a quantum machine. It cannot be also the quantum computation process itself as in the computers, since it is probabilistic, which opposes the concept of free will.
So what are we left with? Or to start to believe in some kind of human spirit, that can't be scientifically explained. Or in other words  we have to admitat that at todays knowledge we have no clue what we are. The alternative is to except that we are only machine without free will (like the animals of Descartes ), living in illusion of free will. But if we are just a machine, then again machines need creator who defines them or can it do the evolution by itself? And here we are back in the fields that can't be scientifically explained.
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To start with, the scientific research of consciousness has became a respectable field of science only 30 years ago, probably due to computing science development, that brought the idea of consciousness as a computing system, that when reaching certain level of sophistication turns on the ilusion of conscious I.  This idea is contradictory to the subjective feeling of free will and all the rest.
Stuart Hameroff, an anesthetic started a research with microtubules, a hexagonal tube shaped carbon molecule that is one of the building molecules of the living cell and especially the neuron cell. The anesthesia is a process in which the consciousness is turned off. So he started research in this direction an started a collaboration with Roger Penrose , your acquaintance.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose#Physics_and_consciousness
This collaboration brought the Orch-OR theory,  viz; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchestrated_objective_reduction
Penrose's ideas concerning the three worlds: physical, mental, and the Platonic mathematical world. In his theory, the Platonic world corresponds to the geometry of fundamental spacetime that is claimed to support non-computational thinking.
The theory had several problems of energy waste, heat, and time. Some of these theoretical problems were solved with the time like the problem of energy efficiency of the process that uses similar quantum processes as the photosynthesis in the plants, its effectiveness of converting sun energy is almost 100%. Viz:
http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2010/05/10/untangling-quantum-entanglement/
The findings of Whaley/Fleming team if used by brain can solve some of efficiency problems of the theory and the heat problem.
Other critic of the Orch-Or theory are Jeffrey R. ReimersLaura K. McKemmishRoss H. McKenzieAlan E. MarkNoel S. Hush in article: “Consciousness in the universe: A review of the ‘Orch OR’ theory” say:
For quantum information processing one must have quantum information storage units such as qubits. All aspects of the proposal need to be considered in terms of how they either influence or are influenced by the properties of these storage units. For example, the involvement of quantum gravity in the manifestation of consciousness would need to be described in terms of how quantum gravity affected the operation of these qubits, as would any other effect that could impact on macroscopic neural processes, and the influence of any dynamical process taking place in, on, or around the microtubules.
In the current review Hameroff and Penrose suggest that the qubit could be either: (a) “interactive dipole states of individual tubulin proteins” such as “London-force dipoles” or (b) magnetic dipoles or (c) nuclear spins. “London force electric dipoles” have been discussed in previous publications but the other two options have been introduced for the first time. Previously, Hameroff and Penrose had also proposed that conformational switching could produce coupled electron–vibration qubits but this claim is withdrawn in the current review.
The London force is of quantum-mechanical origin. An instantaneous fluctuation of the electronic distribution creates a dipole in one molecule that in turn induces a dipolar response in a neighbouring molecule. This leads to a net attractive force. The key feature is that these electric dipoles are fluctuations, not states. Individual states are needed to construct a qubit, and the review makes no attempt at specifying how qubit states could be associated with these London fluctuations. Further, it is not explained how the magnetic dipole states could be constructed or how these states could be decoupled from the nuclear motions so as to achieve extended quantum coherence. No suggestion is made as to how states associated with nuclear spins in magnetic fields could be utilized as qubits in situ in microtubules, and the nuclei supposedly supporting the states are not named.
The Hameroff and Penrose answer to the previouse is
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001917
I'm not sure I fully understand their answer.
Ok, so the quantum entanglement solves the energy efficiency problem. Still I don't get, how it creates free will? To my understanding the superposition effect is influenced by the observer and it's result prediction is probabilistic. This doesn't sounds to me as free will. It is rather a predictable system with certain level of free choice within the limits of probability prediction.
As i understand these systems of superposition and entanglement can't be controlled, but rather influenced by observer, without to give him tools of control.  Yet the free will is all about conscious control, otherwise it would be eider chaotic or controlled by some other observer, who does have the tools of control. 
We could call this well equipped Superobserver God, but then all the jewdochristian believers will misinterpret this observation.

Pretentious chat of neophytes about physics-






02/07/2013
: Can anyone answer me to a question? Why the galaxies are arranged flat like frisbee and and not in spherical shape like a ball?
M: Just think of a ball of dough, start spinning it and tossing it up and down. Next thing you know you’ve got a flat round dough for pizza.
E: Is the accretion disk a sinusoidal wave that shakes the ball vertically and changes the balls shape to be flat or is it the speed of the rotation exceeding the bonding force of the gravitation? Or maybe both? Why should be only one axis to any spin? The earth axis spins in such waves, does the sun and its planets axis do the same? Like this ~~?
A sinusoidal wave (3 cycles).
A sinusoidal wave (3 cycles). (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
J: Because of the super massive black hole in the center of the milky way. You see, the way it spins sends out a gravitational disk which we all move on, called the accretion disk. An interesting side note to this phenomena is that our solar system doesn’t orbit around on this galactic plane perfectly but passes through it like a sine wave. Because the black hole is infinite mass the gravity in the disc is very intense and could explain why the Earth goes through periods of destruction.
E: thanks. I will have to make a research to understand your answer. But i have another question or rather a hypotheses. Is it possible that the Universe itself is spinning and creating an immense eccentric force that causes acceleration of the Universe’s expansion? Is it possible that the dark energy is nothing else but this centrifugal force? Maybe also the big bang was not so much a bang as a enormous spin? If everything else is spinning why “ausgerechnet”, the Universe is not?
J: That is very interesting. It certainly wouldn’t be stranger than current theory’s. Perhaps you would be interest in some of Walter Russell’s science look him up.
E: If you are mathematician or physicist, which i am not, so lets try to figure out together what this idea means. I am ready to go into it with some additional ideas. There is no big chance, anybody can verify or disprove this theory but it can gain lots of grands, just like the string theory.
J:But the universe is expanding in all directions evenly. A spinning object would only account for the expansion of one particular axis. Therefore I’m not sure of this theory
E: What about an ALL AXIS spin? We can’t imagine it but it still my exist as may exists an 11 dimensional universe which is also beyond our perception. Maybe it can be imagined as a rotation around a continuously changing axis where time differences of change of the axis are zero, all in speed of light. I wonder if we could calculate that the universe spins in all direction at speed of light at the same moment, and check if this angular momentum would be enough to support its expansion rate and its acceleration rate. If mathematically it fits it would give some indirect evidence to the theory. Also the limit of speed of light and so the phenomenon of time as changing variable would be explained in this way??? By the way, can anybody calculate what would be the speed of spin of the Universe in this case? Let me guess, more than the speed of light. Obviously with the expansion of Universe this speed would increase and accelerate too.
E; Dear Patrice, You just exposed yourself as a mathematician and i would like to expose to you a naive idea (maybe very childish, since it is not my field of expertise), but i will allow myself to play a child with an idea of alternative theory of creation to big bang. I don’t have the mathematical tools to check what it actually means, and maybe you can easily turn the idea into rubbish.
So here is my hypotheses. Is it possible that the Universe itself is spinning and creating an immense eccentric force that causes acceleration of the Universe’s expansion? Is it possible that the dark energy is nothing else but this centrifugal force? Maybe also the big bang was not so much a big bang but an enormous spin? If everything else is spinning why “ausgerechnet”, the Universe is not?
Since the universe is expanding in all directions evenly, to prevent its expansion in one particular axis, it should be an big number of AXIS spin? It is hard to imagine but mathematically it could work. Of course the spin at the beginning has to be of something bigger than zero, and the number of spin axes has to be smaller than infinitive number. Otherwise, as i can understand couldn’t be the asymmetry between the matter and antimatter, that is essential to the creation. By the way, this could probably explain this asymmetry.
I wonder if the universe spins in velocity of speed of light, what size the first dot of creation should be before it starts to spin and how many axes of spin we need to create enough angular momentum to support the existing expansion rate of the universe at speed of light. Maybe it would even explain the phenomena of increasing acceleration rate of Universe expansion by increased speed of spin.
The limit of speed of light, would be probably caused by the speed of spin. Is it possible that if the spin velocity increases the speed of light increases too or the time shortens?
As to my idea, this spin energy is the energy of creation, translated to energy (spin or spring vibration or any other movement) we can observe in the Universe.
Patrice Ayme Says:

Dear Eugen: Most pure research mathematicians know no physics (that’s often how they define purity…). However, I am a mathematical physicist, so I am in my element.
The Big Bang always depended upon enormous accelerating expansion (“cosmological INFLATION”). Now it has gotten worse, because it looks as if the expansion were accelerating. Inflation precludes expansion from angular momentum, as you suggest (although you get a prize for innovation: I have heard a lot, but never that particular one!).
Rotating Black Holes do behave differently from static ones, so your idea is not crazy.
The BB is a theory of expanding SPACEtime. Not just a theory of flung out matter, expanding. Although matter within space cannot go at more than c within a delimited neighborhood inside a local reference frame, SPACEtime is not so limited.
The weakness of the BB is that, although a plausible theory, it supposes lots of things on the way, and one gets very different theories by supposing less outrageous hypotheses…
PA
  • EugenR Says:
    Your answer is very encouraging. So let me develop a bit the idea of the Big Spin.
    I see in the model several variables that can be played with;1. The speed of spin, which can be at speed of light, below, but maybe even above, since it is beyond the observed universe. Eventually speed of spin can even accelerate, and this would explain the speeding up of the rate of the universe expansion.
    2. The size of the dot that had to spin before it inflated. Intuitively seems to me it has to be bigger then 0, otherwise what would spin? What about one Planck’s constant size? would it be sufficient? If yes, maybe this could somehow connect the Big Spin to the quantum theory, i am not sure i can figure out how. But this is just an idea.
    3. The number of axises the dot spins. It cant be infinitive, because it would need infinitive energy, and the Universe energy seems to be finite.
    4. And then you have the time and speed of light that is the other side of the same coin. Was the time same at the beginning of time as now, and with it the speed of light?If you start with constant spin speed at existing speed of light, and constant dot size to spin of Planck constant, it shouldn’t be hard to calculate the number of axises you need to create all the energy you have in the observed universe. Would its angular momentum be enough to create an all direction expanding universe? If yes, wouldn’t it be a finding with certain value?
    The metric expansion of space. The inflationar...
    The metric expansion of space. The inflationary epoch is the expansion of the metric tensor at left. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)


  • Patrice Ayme Says:
    Dear Eugen: Your model
    would fit a linear “Hubble” expansion law. Unfortunately, as I said, the usual BB model has an enormous inflation, to start with, and now apparently we observe an accelerating inflation.
  • Another problem is that in a rotation appears a so called “Coriolis force”. On Earth, it causes “Trade Winds”. In space, it would cause something similar, on a larger scale, a systematic Coriolis deviation. an anisotropy of the universe. To my knowledge that has not been observed (although some other features seem present, of unknown origin). it would in particular affect cosmological photons (redder in one direction than in another).
  • Still another problem would be that the tremendous acceleration necessary initially would prevent the gathering of matter long present, and observed, as gravity would be nothing relative to that acceleration.The usual Big Bang is in part here to convince the public that the “Standard Model” is of some use (that’s my cynical view of it). Although, personally, I think it’s interesting by itself. It’s true it provides a neat explanation of the 3K cosmological background radiation… 


  • WMAP image of the (extremely tiny) anisotropie...
    WMAP image of the (extremely tiny) anisotropies in the cosmic background radiation (Photo credit: Wikipedia)



Dear Patrice, If may i to make a summary of your theory just to figure out if i understood you correctly, You claim, since the observations show us that the Universe expansion is accelerating, logically should be expected that this acceleration existed from the beginning of the time, (when the so called Big Bang occurred). This theory solves the problem of need for inflation, which is not coherent with the existing paradigms of the science, like speed of light etc. Yet your theory raises new problems, like how to explain the flatness, homogeneity, and isotropy of the Universe as that droberts mentioned above.
I want to remain to you our previous correspondence in the subject where i propose an alternative theory called the big spin viz;
I am fully aware of me being very far from understanding the field and the Mathematics of it, and don’t want to be pretentious to understand to much about the subject. Yet i take the courage to suggest out of my ignorance an extra universe explanation to the very existence of all.
My theory says, “Since everything in the Universe is in movement, and the movement is the basic bloc to the very existence, why the universe itself shouldn’t be in movement?”.
In the link above i still suggested that the Big Bang should be called a Big Spin, while suggested all started with a Big Multi-axis spin of the universe.
You answer to my ideas was as follows;
Your model would fit a linear “Hubble” expansion law. Unfortunately, as I said, the usual BB model has an enormous inflation, to start with, and now apparently we observe an accelerating inflation.
Another problem is that in a rotation appears a so called “Coriolis force”. On Earth, it causes “Trade Winds”. In space, it would cause something similar, on a larger scale, a systematic Coriolis deviation. an anisotropy of the universe. To my knowledge that has not been observed (although some other features seem present, of unknown origin). it would in particular affect cosmological photons (redder in one direction than in another).
Still another problem would be that the tremendous acceleration necessary initially would prevent the gathering of matter long present, and observed, as gravity would be nothing relative to that acceleration.The usual Big Bang is in part here to convince the public that the “Standard Model” is of some use (that’s my cynical view of it). Although, personally, I think it’s interesting by itself. It’s true it provides a neat explanation of the 3K cosmological background radiation…
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After thinking again as an amateur, i thought, why to stick only to circular movement, there are after all many other forms of movement we know, just to mention some, expansion and contraction, vibration,linear straight movement, etc. All of them could be created/happened at the moment of the very beginning. And if to relate the theory to your model of “100 Billion Year Universe”, if the Universe started its expansion gradually, why couldn’t be that the movement like spin, vibration, etc. started gradually too, and its acceleration continuous to this days?
Yet i understand every mathematical model has to have some anchor presupposition. I would start with the speed of light, unless even in this phenomena were found some irregularities, which i don’t know about.
If to continue with the idea, Mathematically i would try to see what kind of movements of a Planck scale dot are necessary to explain the expansion of the universe from one point to the today vastness, and explain all the unexplained phenomenons that oppose the existing paradigms of the science.
As a supplementary of my naive theory of everything i would assume that the very creation happened, when certain type of movement (spin, vibration, etc.) caused the split of the nothingness at Planck scale to matter and antimatter, while certain kind of asymmetric movement made the matter more abundant then the antimatter.